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Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded

Six of the Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded

Thank you for reading The Whitetail Shooters Big Buck Blog. The intent of this article is to answer the question, “What are the largest 8 point whitetails ever recorded?”

First and foremost we need to establish the criteria. The information and scoring numbers used for this search are from the Boone & Crockett record book, or in the least, from using the B&C measuring system. All measurements listed are official B&C net scores, in other words, the final number reached after symmetrical and abnormal point deductions, as this number will be the score listed within the record book.

There are many giant 8 point whitetails recorded that do not make the list, this is the elite of the elite. There are always rumors of larger “known” bucks, but until they are given an official score from a certified measurer it is all hearsay. This list is complete with the top five 8 point whitetails that have been officially scored and certified. If there is a bigger 8 point whitetail out there then it has not been officially measured and certified as of this article.

With that being said, here they are in descending order, the top five 8 point whitetails ever recorded including a sixth whitetail that could very possibly be the new world record 8 point.

The Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded: Tied at #’s 4 & 5

Starting our list are two great bucks that are tied in score, and both were once recognized by B&C as being the world record 8 point whitetail. The Vernon Winter buck was taken in 1965 in Hand County, South Dakota. It has a final net score of 180 3/8. Sharing the score and status of former world record 8 point whitetail is a buck taken in 2001 in Michigan’s Hillsdale County by Victor Bulliner. Known as “The Lucky Buck”, the giant 8 point grosses 184 1/8 and has a final net score of 180 3/8.

Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded
Sharing the former world record 8 point whitetail status is the Vernon Winter buck from South Dakota scoring 180 3/8 net inches. No doubt one of the largest 8 point whitetails ever recorded.
Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded
Sharing the former world record 8 point whitetail status is the Victor Bulliner buck from Michigan scoring 180 3/8 net inches. No doubt one of the largest 8 point whitetails ever recorded.

The Largest 8 point Whitetails Ever Recorded: #3

Coming in at number three on our countdown to the world record 8 point whitetail is a beautiful buck taken in Saskatchewan by Allen Colly during the 1993 season. The beautiful 8 point whitetail is considered Canada’s record 4×4 with a final net score of 180 5/8 inches. Information on the location the buck was taken, as well as it’s gross score and measurements were not available at the time of this writing.

Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded
Allen Colly took this great buck in Saskatchewan scoring 180 5/8 net inches, making it one of the largest 8 point whitetails ever recorded

The Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded: #2

The second largest 8 point whitetail ever recorded comes from the State of Iowa. Taken in 1996 by Elisha Hugen, this great 8 point is unofficially the largest 8 point whitetail ever taken by a female hunter. The great buck has a gross typical score of 188 2/8 and an official net score of 182 3/8 inches. Other world class numbers include an inside spread of 23 4/8 inches, it’s right side G2 is 14 7/8 inches tall and the left side G2 stretches to 15 0/8 inches! Unfortunately, quality photographs of the Hugen buck are virtually non existent.

Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded
One of the largest 8 point whitetails ever recorded was taken in Iowa by Elisha Hugen. The big deer is close to being the world record 8 point whitetail at 182 3/8 net inches.
The Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded: #1

The current recognized world record 8 point whitetail comes from the State of Illinois. This great buck was taken in the central part of the State during the 2011 firearms season by Jason Sanders. The antlers on the Sanders buck are built on a pure 4×4 typical frame with a short abnormal point. Check out these numbers; total gross typical is an astounding 192 3/8 inches! The beams are 30 and 32 inches! The G2’s measure 14 and 16 inches, while the G3’s are both 12+ inches each! A respectable inside spread of 22 3/8  inches compliments these world record 8 point antlers. The final official score after deducting symmetry differences and the 1 6/8 inch abnormal point is 183 1/8 inches!

Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded
One of the largest 8 point whitetails ever recorded, the Jason Sanders buck from Illinois is considered the world record 8 point whitetail at 183 1/8 net inches.
Honorable Mention

No conversation about the largest 8 point whitetails ever recorded would be complete without mentioning this great southern deer. Lonnie Copeland took this tremendous buck in Prairie County, Arkansas during the 1992 firearms season. Recently re-scored at 185 7/8 net inches, the Copeland rack has 30-inch main beams and 17-inch G-2s, had not two tine’s (the G4 and G5 on the right main beam) been broken off, we could very possibly be talking about an overall world record typical whitetail. Some people consider the Copeland buck as being the largest 8 point ever recorded, however, a simple explanation could change some opinions.

Although it’s true the Copeland buck is entered as having a 4×4 score sheet, the problem lies within the placement of the mass measurements. A true four point antler receives its fourth circumference half way between the beam tip and the center of the G3. This is quite different from a five point antler receiving its fourth circumference between the G3 and G4, which in almost all cases is going to be upwards of an inch or more BIGGER than the fourth circumference of a true four point. The circumference measurements on the Copeland buck were taken on both beams in the location between the G3 & G4. This placement has increased the overall score by at least two full inches and should, for all practical purposes, not allow the buck to be considered as a true 4×4. It’s still a world class whitetail, but in this writer’s opinion it does not fit the criteria as being a pure 4×4 so it should not have the status as being the world record 8 point whitetail.

Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded
The Lonnie Copeland buck from Arkansas is considered by some as being the largest 8 point ever recorded. However, the deer is actually a 6×5 typical with broken points.
Could This Be The New World Record 8 Point?

***NEW INFORMATION HAS SURFACED WHICH REQUIRED AN UPDATE TO THE FOLLOWING DEER***

Although this giant buck has yet to be entered, or for that matter, Recently officially measured, the Minnesota DNR is reporting the buck to score 190 inches gross and 185 net inches. These numbers, when officially entered, will place the deer at the top of the list for a world record 8 point whitetail. The buck was poached in the southeastern part of the state in 2009. The MNDNR may never enter the deer thus the deer may never receive the true world record recognition it deserves. However, it’s obvious the deer should be recognized as being the largest 8 point whitetail ever recorded.

Largest 8 Point Whitetails Ever Recorded
This buck, poached in Southeast Minnesota in 2009, is the largest 8 point whitetail ever recorded.

I’d like to hear your opinion on what you think about these giant 8 point whitetails. What are your thoughts on the Copeland buck being considered the world record 8 point whitetail? Should the Minnesota buck, being it was poached, be given recognition as being the largest 8 point whitetail ever recorded? Please post your comments and opinions at the bottom of this page in the comments section.

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The Harold Smith Buck

Antlers Built For Controversy

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British Columbia has long been considered a hunters paradise. And rightfully so as every big game animal in North America can be found within the borders of the Province. The area just north of the Washington and Idaho borders is also known as a sleeper area for trophy quality whitetails. It’s this area where the Harold Smith buck was taken in the 1950’s.

No witnesses can be found that may have seen the buck, and no photos have ever been produced of the deer either.  Both could have been deciding factors in what has become one of the whitetail worlds greatest debates.

The Harold Smith Buck and its Controversy

The Harold Smith buck has become a significant piece of hunting history, whether you believe it to be a Mule deer or a Whitetail is where the controversy lies. Many antler experts and collectors, the very people that actually study such things, have long believed it to be a Mule deer. For many years the Boone & Crockett club, North America’s most recognized big game record keeping organization, would not allow the buck to be entered in either the Mule deer or Whitetail categories. The club’s reason being there was no proof of the deer being of either species.

The buck is seen here mounted with a whitetail cape, which shouldn’t be used to determine what type of deer it is.

The Harold Smith buck
The Harold Smith buck from British Columbia scores 279 3/8 inches.

The Significance of Getting it Right

What makes the controversy so significant is this fact, at 279 3/8 inches of antler the Harold Smith buck will become a Provincial record in either of the two categories it may enter. Also of significance is the fact that it would also become Canada’s number two non typical whitetail, falling just 3/8 of an inch short of Neil Morin’s great non typical, which is Canada’s top whitetail.

The great deer has qualities of both species. The wide sweep and deer forks of a Mule deer and the upturned beams, brows points, and boxy frame of a Whitetail. These features are what jump out to the discerning eye. However, there’s another characteristic that could seal the deal, but most will never have a chance to see it.

Could it be a Hybrid?

The antler characteristic of beading is usually quite different between Mule deer and Whitetails. Most often a Whitetail will have beading that runs up the points, or in lines. Mule deer usually bead in a circular pattern. Most people will not see this on the Harold Smith buck because they will never be close enough to the antlers to see the beading pattern. However, I found this short video produced by North American Whitetail television and it shows a close up of the beading. Click here then scroll down the page to the Harold Smith video.

As you can see in the video the beading shows no distinct pattern of either Mule deer or Whitetail. It’s this lack of dominate feature that leads many to consider the buck to be a hybrid cross between a Mule deer and Whitetail.

This is significant because hybrids cannot be entered into record books because records are distinctively species specific.

After decades of debate and controversy, the B&C club has decided to accept the buck as a whitetail and has panel scored the buck at 279 3/8 inches. The antlers will now be recognized as being from a whitetail.

I’d like to hear your opinion on whether you think this is a Mule deer, a Whitetail, or an ineligible hybrid? Please post your comments and opinions at the bottom of this page in the comments section.

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